Two years is a long time in the
life of Greg Norman. When I last
sat down to interview him for Golf
International – in South Africa, in
the spring of 2008 – he’d just
stepped off his private jet, GN1,
accompanied by his then fiancé
Chris Evert. During that interview,
Evert showed off her sparkling
new diamond ring and the couple
announced that they were to be
married. On the surface at least,
all was well in Norman’s world: he
was in good form, both on and
off the course, combining two of
his favourite activities – playing
golf and signing lucrative deals.
Today, the location and the vibe
is very different. We’re in Turkey at
the KPMG Golf Business Forum,
where Norman received a Lifetime
Achievement Award in recognition
of his contribution to the golf
industry. But on a personal and
business level Norman’s world
has taken a tumble – the relationship
with Evert is no more (though
his new partner Kristen Kutner is
nowhere to be seen) and the
deals are drying up. He has
closed his offices in Australia –
inviting much local criticism – and
during our conversation he complained
of cash-flow problems.
The financial crisis has, he says,
left scars but, you suspect, that if
Greg Norman is suffering, the rest
of the market is getting it worse.
As ever, he was easy to talk to,
honest, open and not shy of sharing
some hard-hitting opinions. Richard Gillis
Gi: Where’s the money in golf today?
GN: The sponsor market around golf tournaments
it is a very difficult market right now –
and I know this because I own a couple of
tournaments myself. The money that is there
is from existing contracts, signed a few years
ago, pre-2008. It’s money that is locked in.
There’s been a lot of negotiating around those
contracts to allow some flexibility to the
financial terms. If it’s happening to me on a
relatively small scale, on a couple of events,
imagine what it’s like for the PGA Tour or the
European Tour.
Gi: Did golf become too exposed as a sport
to banks and car makers?
GN: In the US there was a high number of
tournaments backed by car makers and the
banks and the public are rightly asking, ‘Why
are we giving them our money when they are
still sponsoring golf tournaments?’
Gi: The last two decades have been a bull
market for sponsor rights, has that bred
complacency and a lack of innovation?
GN: Absolutely it has. The model, the box that
golf has been in the last 25 years has
remained the same, it’s been like Groundhog
Day. We have to become more sophisticated
and think differently. Chubby [Andrew
Chandler, founder of ISM] is right when he
says the market for sponsorship and player
endorsements has collapsed.
Gi: What have we learnt from the sorry
Tiger Woods saga?
GN: Tiger Woods is a testament to how quickly
the money can be turned off when people
start pulling out and the multi-million dollar
endorsements dry up very quickly. When you
set your price expectations so high, your
whole life is based around keeping those standards
very high. Tiger is no different from
everyone else – we’ve all felt the pinch at the
pump. If you go back through the history of
the PGA Tour, prize-money has doubled every
five years. If I was CEO of the company I’d
have looked at that and thought, my strike
rate has been 100% every five years, how the
hell can I sustain that sort of growth? Alarm
bells would be going off; logic tells me that
maybe I won’t be able to go from $250 million
to $500 million in prize-money and
maybe the Tours should have adjusted their business model. Risk management? I don’t
know that the PGA Tour has that. They have
to manage players’ expectations, there is
going to be another recession, but the players
now expect double prize-money every five
years and are asking, ‘Where’s my money?’
Gi: For a sport that exudes self confidence,
golf’s authorities seemed to panic in the face
of the Woods issue, worried that the sport
would crumble if he went. Do you agree?
GN: 100%. The PGA Tour put all their eggs in
one basket. They built the tour around Tiger,
sold the television contracts around Tiger, so
it made the other players feel insignificant,
which is a sad way of doing business because
they have a responsibility to all of their constituents.
The PGA Tour is a one-man one vote
operation and nobody is bigger than the
game of golf. The exact same thing happened
in basketball with Michael Jordan and look at
the dead time that basketball went through
when Jordan went. They even put Phil
Mickelson into a lesser category, and he has
an unbelievable database of support and so
much charisma. When you look at it closely,
there have been some glaring mistakes made.
Gi: Do you see Woods’ business model
changing?
GN: It will depend on the people around him.
When you’re the No. 1 player in the world,
you need people around you who you can
trust and rely on because you can’t do it all
on your own. You have to focus on the things
you love to do – i.e. play golf in order to be
the No. 1 in the world. Tiger has to re-evaluate
some of the people around him. Some of the
people have a different mindset – they have
made a good living from selling him on the
market – and he may have to readjust to that.
Sometimes, someone saying no to you is the
best yes you can get. He needs someone able
to tell him to go in a different direction and
that it will hurt for a little bit. Tiger has an
enormous endorsement deal with Nike. That
Swoosh is way more powerful than Tiger’s
brand. Which poses a problem. He has a
major association with it but he has to promote
the Tiger Woods brand, and in the golf
industry he is overshadowed by it, there’s no
space around him for anything else. As stagnant
as the golf industry is right now, It can
be difficult for him to establish any solid
roots.
Gi: There are parallels between Tiger and
yourself, both long time world no. 1, both
were IMG players and both became global
brands. At the peak of your career you left
IMG to go on your own. Why did you do
this?
GN: In my day IMG never understood how to
build equity in a brand because they were
the brand. As an athlete, you are a pass through
entity. They were taking commission
on an annual basis and if you had a
three-year deal to represent someone they
would take their money and you knew there
would be another Greg Norman down the
line. There was, he was Tiger Woods. So they
tended to have a short-term mentality to
players, because it plays to their business
model: they need the cash flow. When you
become a living brand you tend to see things
differently in terms of future earnings and
how you want to position yourself in the
future. I didn’t leave IMG. My contract ended
and I didn’t renew it. They didn’t like it. I
think since then they’ve watched me and
have learned some lessons and a lot of the
things they implemented with Tiger they
may learnt from me.
Gi: Tiger is now in the golf course business,
and you’ve been in it for a long time. My
view is that the legacy of the boom years is
an over-supply of the wrong type of course,
which are expensive to join, difficult to play
and now suffering from huge debts they
can’t repay. Meanwhile, golf has not shaken
off its exclusive image. What’s your view?
GN: I couldn’t agree more. As a player in the
’80s I was in the halcyon boom of corporate
dollars being thrown at the game of golf. I
was a huge benefactor of that money. There
was a three- to five-year time period in the
1980s when everyone thought they were
doing the bullet-proof right thing in terms of
building courses. But what was done was
absolutely the wrong thing. As a strategy it
was riddled with holes. The implementation
and execution was very wrong and I agree the
money went into the wrong type of course. I
blame the architects as well. They went out
and built monuments to themselves with
developers’ unlimited budgets. Instead of
building a golf course for $10 million they
spent $20 million. Instead of building courses
that needed $1 million worth maintenance a
year they need $3 million. The ongoing maintenance
cost is the burden that is now showing
its ugly head in America, because the
membership is turning around and asking
why, even an economic downturn, are we paying
annual fees of thousands of bucks a year.
The wives are telling their husbands that you
can’t go play golf, and it all came from that
moment in the 1980s.
Gi: You are targeting China. What’s the
situation there?
GN: Today’s architects have inherited this disaster
and we have to approach it differently.
Every potential developer now has do things
differently. I gave a speech in China recently
and I told them, please don’t fall into the trap
of what America and Britain did in the ’80s. If
you want golf to grow to the level you are
expecting it to – and they are talking 20 million
or 30 million people taking up the game,
those are the numbers the Chinese tourism
minister is quoting – I told them they are
going to build a lot of golf courses but don’t
be a copycat. Be smart and the game will be
sustainable.
Gi: Has the credit crunch hit you?
GN: Oh yes [laughs]. The biggest effect I see is
in account receivables which are way out
there. People want to finish their projects but
are waiting before they put their money back
into the project. It costs more money to shut
down a project than to drip feed it. I’ve got a
lot of money out there that is not being paid. I
had a conference call this morning with an
investment group telling me the money is
there and that it would be there in two or
three weeks. They’ve been saying that for two
years, and we have to pay our bills, too. My
guys have put pressure on them, asking why
these bills aren’t being paid. But I’m a believer
that the formation of partnerships in bad
times is just as crucial as they are in good
times. But there are some situations where
you know you’re not going to get your money
back because everyone has disappeared, there
is not an e-mail, there’s no phone number and
you don’t know where these people have
gone. You know you just have to tick that box
and write it off.
Gi: When we last spoke – in South Africa two
years ago – you nearly won the tournament, then a few months later you led the
Open going in to the final day. What are
your memories of that?
GN: I remember thinking I was playing terrible
going in to the Open, but when I got there I
had some good feelings at the start of the
week. First, I love the golf course at Royal
Birkdale and the way the R&A set it up was
great, the best set-up for any Open I’ve ever
played in my life. So these goods feelings permeated
through. Also, the weather was terrible
so that was good for me because it takes
away the guys that just hit from point A to
point B, and some artistry was needed to get
around the course, which is how I grew up
playing the game. So there was a positive tone
going into Thursday morning and that kept
going through the week. But there are defining
moments that happen for some stupid
reason in life and that was one of them. And I
wouldn’t be surprised to see some of the
more experienced players do well at St
Andrews, too. A good player of age has a
chance around the Old Course.
Gi: Do you miss that artistry you speak
about? Is golf poorer for the lack of it?
GN: I miss the Ballesteroses and Trevinos.
When I was in my heyday, being known as
the longest, straightest driver allowed me to
be aggressive on every golf course I played.
And I had a good short game, so those two
things together meant that my iron play didn’t
really matter. I attacked every pin
because 90% of the time I knew I had enough
that if I missed the flag on the short side I
could get up and down. Today, the courses
are set up differently and the length of these
guys means they can hit it 350 yards, be in
the rough and come out with a wedge rather
than a 5-iron, which makes it a bit different.
If I was 25 today in today’s era with today’s
equipment, I’d still be long and be hitting
driver everywhere, too.
Gi: Who has caught your eye recently?
GN: Rory McIlroy has got all the components
to be a very special player. Again I don’t know
what goes on around him, but you look at the
guy when he walks down the fairway. He’s got
charisma and he gets the connection with the
galleries and on the television. He’s very
aware of where he is and of his space in life.
Just from the swing aspect like it. I don’t like
what I’m hearing about injuries that seem to
be coming at such a young age. If they are
starting now then they are not going to go
away because he is not going to stop hitting
golf balls. He’s one of the three or four guys,
young kids who are on the cusp of doing
something special. Again it’s the people
around them that’s important. What’s in their
mind? The parents and friends have to back
off and let him be who he wants to be.
Gi: Does it concern you, as it does Peter
Alliss, that he’s talking to sports psychologists
at such a young age?
GN: No, not at all. If I had to do my career
over again I’d surround myself with all those
people. Once I knew that I had it, whatever
that means. If you win early it gives you confidence.
I would surround myself, get the personal
trainer to travel with me, the masseuse.
As for the psychologist, it depends on what
you take out of it.
Gi: Is that support system a product of affluence
and money?
GN: Yes. And it’s important not to defer the
responsibility for your own emotions to
someone else. You learn more about yourself
by putting yourself through all these pains
and sorrows that we have to face. But you
need to know how to correct the emotional
feelings you have when you’re on a golf
course. The character of the individual gets
built rather than passing responsibility on to
somebody else. But I would approach a sports
psychologist in a different way. I wouldn’t
have been saying to him, as some players do,
that I need you on the first tee to give me my
Zen feelings. I used to prepare much more the
night before. I did very little preparation in
the morning except look at the weather and
see which way the wind is blowing.
Gi The influence of sports science is increasing,
with focus on gaining small advantages
over opponents. The striving for the ‘extra
one percent’ has become the mantra of the
sports science industry. Do you buy it?
GN: I always used the negative energy from
other players as a positive energy for me,
which, incidentally, I think Tiger has done
brilliantly also. The rest are saying that if he’s
in the field, I can’t win. When I read stuff like
that it was like an extra club. I’d walk in the
locker room and look around and think, who
am I going to beat today? It’s not arrogance,
it’s using what people give you. I agree that
much of the support team that has grown up
around golfers is because of the amount of
money.
Gi: Are you glad you played when you did?
Does it seem as much fun today?
GN: A lot of the fun comes from being around
other players, which has gone now, because
they all go off in their own planes once the
tournament is over. We didn’t have private
aircraft back then. We got together, three or
four or five guys, we’d play backgammon on
the train or in the airport terminal, drinking a
couple of beers waiting for the next flight. Or
you’d rent a car and drive somewhere with a
guy, and when I was fortunate enough to get
a plane I gave guys a lift. That’s what I really
loved about the behind-the-scenes part of our
sport. Now 80% of the guys call up NetJets or
have their own private plane and it’s ‘See you
next Tuesday on the practice tee’. One of the
great attributes Lee Westwood has, and why
he is being successful, is that he travels with
his great mate, Darren Clarke. They share a
plane together. They obviously enjoy that side
of life and I’d suggest that has a lot to do with
how well he’s playing.
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